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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Rachelle:

As a Primerica Rep I am willing to step up to the podium and accept your challenge.

1. When I joined Primerica I did pay a one time fee of $99 and I do currently pay $25 per month for the software program that allows me to run my business.  While I was in training and unlicensed, I was able to market one of their products to clients which payed me the $99 dollars back several times over.  I received extensive training and did not have to pay for my insurance license and I am in the process of obtaining my securities license which the company also payed for.  No compete clause- So what.  It&#039;s not like any other company would have given me chance anyways.
2.  I&#039;m not sure where Primerica Truth is going with the ponzi scheme claim.  As I understand a ponzi scheme is a system of taking money from one investor and giving directly to another investor as interest earned on that investor&#039;s investment.  Think Social Security.  Which is a giant ponzi scheme run by the government.  I think Primerica truth is trying to speak to the recruiting side of the business.  I do believe that if any business wants to grow they have to recruit/ hire/ employ or whatever you want to call it, new people.  The only difference in Primerica is that a Rep at any level can bring someone into the business, train them, and enjoy an override from that person when they are productive.  Compare that to a boss who hires employees and puts another employee in charge of training them for little or no additional compensation.  Then who gets to enjoy the override from the new hire?  The boss.  Which system do you think is really better?  I&#039;m not in the business of financial services.  I&#039;m in the business of distributing financial services.  That&#039;s why I&#039;ll ultimately be managing an office collecting overrides from the people I supervise, while Primerica truth will be shaking the bushes for more sales to earn a buck and making his boss rich.
3. Buy term invest the difference period.  The only people I have ever seen that buying cash value life insurance is good for is the agent selling it.  
4. As far as our term prices go.  I don&#039;t have a nicely completed comparative table of prices to show you.  But I can tell you that I replace everybody&#039;s insurance everytime because I always have a better deal.  The SMART loan is right for some and not for others.  I can honestly say that banks use fuzzy math with the interest calculations.  When I show a client that they can be out of debt faster and pay less in interest, they really aren&#039;t concerned with the interest rate.  I wouldn&#039;t be either.
5. Compensation.  A new Rep starts out at a 25% commission.  However, you can easily qualify for a higher commission before you are licensed.  I did and started at 50% plus a 20% bonus on sales.  Who else do you know in financial services that are giving bonuses to new people?  I think they usually only give bonuses to the top execs who now a days have to give it back because they are owned by the government due to shoddy business practices.  Do your homework Primerica Truth.  Primerica submitted an IPO and will be founded as the largest financial service marketing company in North America with a 33 year track record, no debt, and $5 billion in liquid capitol.  No government assistance needed.  The top earners have been in the company for years and years.  But the top earners in most company&#039;s are senior to everyone else.  We also have several people who have made it to the top who are young and new in the company.  I won&#039;t mention names but a certain SNSD in Utah is 29 years old, in the company for 8 years and earns over $1million a year.  My RVP was a $100k earner in three years not ten.
Rachelle
Primerica is an awesome company who does right by their clients and reps.  Yes there are a few bad apples.  But a company of over 100,000 reps is going to expierence that.  
Tracey
I have a real job with a real paycheck.  It sucks.  I have no opportunity with it.  I have a shot with Primerica and I&#039;m going to take it.
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Rachelle:</p>
<p>As a Primerica Rep I am willing to step up to the podium and accept your challenge.</p>
<p>1. When I joined Primerica I did pay a one time fee of $99 and I do currently pay $25 per month for the software program that allows me to run my business.  While I was in training and unlicensed, I was able to market one of their products to clients which payed me the $99 dollars back several times over.  I received extensive training and did not have to pay for my insurance license and I am in the process of obtaining my securities license which the company also payed for.  No compete clause- So what.  It&#8217;s not like any other company would have given me chance anyways.<br />
2.  I&#8217;m not sure where Primerica Truth is going with the ponzi scheme claim.  As I understand a ponzi scheme is a system of taking money from one investor and giving directly to another investor as interest earned on that investor&#8217;s investment.  Think Social Security.  Which is a giant ponzi scheme run by the government.  I think Primerica truth is trying to speak to the recruiting side of the business.  I do believe that if any business wants to grow they have to recruit/ hire/ employ or whatever you want to call it, new people.  The only difference in Primerica is that a Rep at any level can bring someone into the business, train them, and enjoy an override from that person when they are productive.  Compare that to a boss who hires employees and puts another employee in charge of training them for little or no additional compensation.  Then who gets to enjoy the override from the new hire?  The boss.  Which system do you think is really better?  I&#8217;m not in the business of financial services.  I&#8217;m in the business of distributing financial services.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;ll ultimately be managing an office collecting overrides from the people I supervise, while Primerica truth will be shaking the bushes for more sales to earn a buck and making his boss rich.<br />
3. Buy term invest the difference period.  The only people I have ever seen that buying cash value life insurance is good for is the agent selling it.<br />
4. As far as our term prices go.  I don&#8217;t have a nicely completed comparative table of prices to show you.  But I can tell you that I replace everybody&#8217;s insurance everytime because I always have a better deal.  The SMART loan is right for some and not for others.  I can honestly say that banks use fuzzy math with the interest calculations.  When I show a client that they can be out of debt faster and pay less in interest, they really aren&#8217;t concerned with the interest rate.  I wouldn&#8217;t be either.<br />
5. Compensation.  A new Rep starts out at a 25% commission.  However, you can easily qualify for a higher commission before you are licensed.  I did and started at 50% plus a 20% bonus on sales.  Who else do you know in financial services that are giving bonuses to new people?  I think they usually only give bonuses to the top execs who now a days have to give it back because they are owned by the government due to shoddy business practices.  Do your homework Primerica Truth.  Primerica submitted an IPO and will be founded as the largest financial service marketing company in North America with a 33 year track record, no debt, and $5 billion in liquid capitol.  No government assistance needed.  The top earners have been in the company for years and years.  But the top earners in most company&#8217;s are senior to everyone else.  We also have several people who have made it to the top who are young and new in the company.  I won&#8217;t mention names but a certain SNSD in Utah is 29 years old, in the company for 8 years and earns over $1million a year.  My RVP was a $100k earner in three years not ten.<br />
Rachelle<br />
Primerica is an awesome company who does right by their clients and reps.  Yes there are a few bad apples.  But a company of over 100,000 reps is going to expierence that.<br />
Tracey<br />
I have a real job with a real paycheck.  It sucks.  I have no opportunity with it.  I have a shot with Primerica and I&#8217;m going to take it.<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Rachelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the MBA (Primerica Truth): 

 Your acumen, and comprehensive research is well appreciated by intelligent people.  I would love to see how a Primerica Rep would answer each of the 5 allegations posted in your commentary.

I will keep watching, but I am sure that no one can step up to the podium and offer an INTELLIGENT counter, because you are dead on the money.  Good Job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the MBA (Primerica Truth): </p>
<p> Your acumen, and comprehensive research is well appreciated by intelligent people.  I would love to see how a Primerica Rep would answer each of the 5 allegations posted in your commentary.</p>
<p>I will keep watching, but I am sure that no one can step up to the podium and offer an INTELLIGENT counter, because you are dead on the money.  Good Job!</p>
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		<title>By: sabrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Leo comment:

I do agree 100% of your comment about Primerica.  It is not for everyone but if you like what you do keep doing it.   My only problem with Primerica is that most of their Reps alway  &quot;saying&quot; bads thing about their companys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Leo comment:</p>
<p>I do agree 100% of your comment about Primerica.  It is not for everyone but if you like what you do keep doing it.   My only problem with Primerica is that most of their Reps alway  &#8220;saying&#8221; bads thing about their companys.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Primerica offers opportunity. Each individual has to take advantage of such opportunities and make the best of them. Primerica is not for everyone. If it is for you, it can change your life for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primerica offers opportunity. Each individual has to take advantage of such opportunities and make the best of them. Primerica is not for everyone. If it is for you, it can change your life for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u guys r retarded...  primerica has made me bank... Eventually the oppurtunity will come and go and you will all still be complaining</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u guys r retarded&#8230;  primerica has made me bank&#8230; Eventually the oppurtunity will come and go and you will all still be complaining</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to the negative response from the MBA,  I will state one fact.

AXA Insurance of New York is rated by the neutral A.M. Best rating firm as A - 
Primerica is rated  A +

Enough said.  Everyone look it up.   http://www.ambest.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to the negative response from the MBA,  I will state one fact.</p>
<p>AXA Insurance of New York is rated by the neutral A.M. Best rating firm as A &#8211;<br />
Primerica is rated  A +</p>
<p>Enough said.  Everyone look it up.   <a href="http://www.ambest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ambest.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy,

This is an awesome website. You are really providing a great service exposing some of these companies. I personally have license for life and health and can offer some great term policy rates. I don&#039;t have all my facts but have been told by others how expensive Primerica&#039;s term product is. I have been approached by Primerica and ran the other way. Have no intention of ever joining them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy,</p>
<p>This is an awesome website. You are really providing a great service exposing some of these companies. I personally have license for life and health and can offer some great term policy rates. I don&#8217;t have all my facts but have been told by others how expensive Primerica&#8217;s term product is. I have been approached by Primerica and ran the other way. Have no intention of ever joining them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Coenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Coenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we have nothing better to do than to warn consumers about a crappy company with a crappy &quot;opportunity&quot; and expensive products. There are much better products out there for consumers, and they&#039;re better off with real jobs with rel paychecks than participating in the pyramid scheme called Primerica!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we have nothing better to do than to warn consumers about a crappy company with a crappy &#8220;opportunity&#8221; and expensive products. There are much better products out there for consumers, and they&#8217;re better off with real jobs with rel paychecks than participating in the pyramid scheme called Primerica!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Cortes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Cortes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By mistake I landed on your page again. And I read the post for the guy with the MBA that worked with great and known companies such as Morgan Stanley and Wachovia(I think they asked for the goverment money A.K.A. tax payers money A.K.A my money, your money, etc...) My question for that guy: do you have something better to do? leave alone Primerica and other companies, if Primerica it is not for you, who cares about what you think? Be concern about you and your family. I bet you: you are unemployed right now and if not, you will be if you work for those corporations or if you have a boss. Let me tell you about corporate behavior: If a person coming out of college has not experience they wont hire you, if you have experience but no degree they wont hire you, if you are not a family member or friend they wont hire you. You need to work your _ss hard to get promoted and beg a century for a rise. My point here is the big corporations are crooked because they have billions of dollars in profits but they prefer use a big part of this to lobby congress to minimize the minimum wage, create bellow minimum wage jobs and receive tax credits for this &quot;job creations&quot; I think Tracy shoul Investigate the frauds of all this companies or is she scare?.  My last but not least point, Primerica is a legitimate company with a legitimate business and if anyone accepts this independent agent agreement let them do it (dont talk bad about the company, because you are attempting againts the dreams of other people that may be succesful at this business and if you tell them not to do it, you are cutting opportunities for them and their families, also, if a person talks bad about other is tha correct? show some respect!)And if they joined is because someone told them they can be somebody, no matter what race, or education, social status, religion, or any other barrier, they only have to work and be rewarded with money, promotions, money, vacation trips, money, friendship and the satisfaction of doing what is corrrect for the client(by the way a client can be myself-I want to invest, I need Insurance, I need a LTC program, etc/my immediate family mom, dad, uncle, cousin, my best friend, my other best friend, recomendations for what I did for my best friend, etc...) not for the corporation.  I have said! Take care of you and your family. God be with You.
p.s. if I have any writing mistake forgiveme I am 100% mexican!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By mistake I landed on your page again. And I read the post for the guy with the MBA that worked with great and known companies such as Morgan Stanley and Wachovia(I think they asked for the goverment money A.K.A. tax payers money A.K.A my money, your money, etc&#8230;) My question for that guy: do you have something better to do? leave alone Primerica and other companies, if Primerica it is not for you, who cares about what you think? Be concern about you and your family. I bet you: you are unemployed right now and if not, you will be if you work for those corporations or if you have a boss. Let me tell you about corporate behavior: If a person coming out of college has not experience they wont hire you, if you have experience but no degree they wont hire you, if you are not a family member or friend they wont hire you. You need to work your _ss hard to get promoted and beg a century for a rise. My point here is the big corporations are crooked because they have billions of dollars in profits but they prefer use a big part of this to lobby congress to minimize the minimum wage, create bellow minimum wage jobs and receive tax credits for this &#8220;job creations&#8221; I think Tracy shoul Investigate the frauds of all this companies or is she scare?.  My last but not least point, Primerica is a legitimate company with a legitimate business and if anyone accepts this independent agent agreement let them do it (dont talk bad about the company, because you are attempting againts the dreams of other people that may be succesful at this business and if you tell them not to do it, you are cutting opportunities for them and their families, also, if a person talks bad about other is tha correct? show some respect!)And if they joined is because someone told them they can be somebody, no matter what race, or education, social status, religion, or any other barrier, they only have to work and be rewarded with money, promotions, money, vacation trips, money, friendship and the satisfaction of doing what is corrrect for the client(by the way a client can be myself-I want to invest, I need Insurance, I need a LTC program, etc/my immediate family mom, dad, uncle, cousin, my best friend, my other best friend, recomendations for what I did for my best friend, etc&#8230;) not for the corporation.  I have said! Take care of you and your family. God be with You.<br />
p.s. if I have any writing mistake forgiveme I am 100% mexican!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, let me begin by saying that in no way shape or form am I trying to be rude to you. Now, since you said &quot;Is it a pyramidal scheme? In legal terms, the answer is no.&quot; It either is or it is isn&#039;t and obviously the answer is no you even agreed. So, there is no if, but, or however about the question. The answer is no. Primerica reminds me much of the restaurant corporate business. Host make the least, busers and servers get more with tips, the assistant manager makes a little less than the General manager, then the regional manager makes even more than the general manager and so on. Explained that way, one can argue that the restaurant business is a  LIKE a pyramidal scheme, but it&#039;s not. Every company runs their business different. Many individuals may disagree on the different methods, but if the government says its okay, whether it might be right or it may be wrong, it is allowed. Some people will succeed and some people will struggle with it just like any other business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, let me begin by saying that in no way shape or form am I trying to be rude to you. Now, since you said &#8220;Is it a pyramidal scheme? In legal terms, the answer is no.&#8221; It either is or it is isn&#8217;t and obviously the answer is no you even agreed. So, there is no if, but, or however about the question. The answer is no. Primerica reminds me much of the restaurant corporate business. Host make the least, busers and servers get more with tips, the assistant manager makes a little less than the General manager, then the regional manager makes even more than the general manager and so on. Explained that way, one can argue that the restaurant business is a  LIKE a pyramidal scheme, but it&#8217;s not. Every company runs their business different. Many individuals may disagree on the different methods, but if the government says its okay, whether it might be right or it may be wrong, it is allowed. Some people will succeed and some people will struggle with it just like any other business.</p>
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