Comments on: Pressing questions for MLM supporter Len Clements

By: Tracy Coenen

Tracy Coenen — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:32:10 +0000

Yes, I read it. I didn’t write anything about it because, quite frankly, there wasn’t much to it. It was an unprofessional piece (no surprise) and really had no substance to it. I don’t have a good feel for what happened with the China information. Three separate investigators came to the same conclusion about Usana’s activities in China, but I don’t know why we haven’t heard anything more.

I did get a kick out of Len referring to Barry as a “former felon,” and then having no idea why that was funny. Do you think he’s figured it out yet?

By: terminatedramp

terminatedramp — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:26:03 +0000

Tracy,

Have you had a chance to read through Len Clement’s Cheating In China Rebuttal yet? I had a very hard time reading through it, as I thought it was very unprofessional and focused more on insult than substance. And I don’t believe the rebuttal offered a single shred of evidence to disprove the illegal recruiting in mainland China.

Also, I’m curious as to why the Cheating in China issue never materialized into a bigger story. What’s your take on all of it?. Is Len Clements right, that it was all a bunch of nothing? Or is there simply no interest in prosecuting pyramid scheme perpetrators?

- Term

By: Pedro Menard

Pedro Menard — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:41:26 +0000

Oooops, (double posting)

Tracy,

Next time I’ll signal it with a “spoilers ahead” sentence..

BR.

By: Pedro Menard

Pedro Menard — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:39:33 +0000

Brendan,

There’s your data:

http://www.frauddiscovery.net/june20/106490ReportBcombo.pdf

You can still “google” it if you want…

Best Regards,

Pedro

By: Tracy Coenen

Tracy Coenen — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:25:53 +0000

Awwww… Pedro! I wanted to see if he could find that on his own!!!

By: Pedro Menard

Pedro Menard — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:25:14 +0000

http://www.frauddiscovery.net/june20/106490ReportBcombo.pdf

By: Tracy Coenen

Tracy Coenen — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:12:49 +0000

You’re too lame to use Google so that makes me sneaky?

By: Brendan Smith

Brendan Smith — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:00:23 +0000

That’s a sneaky statement Tracy :-

‘A highly regarded laboratory (Bodycote) has tested product after product from Herbalife (and now Usana), and the results consistently show a high level of lead in violation of California’s Proposition 65.’

Are you implicating Usana in containing high lead levels? If So I’d appreciate the data, as the link supplied in your article does not mention USANA at all in terms of voilating Proposition 65.

Its a bit like saying that the Tax office has investigated Enron (and now Tracy Coenen) and the results show fraudulent accounting practices.

By: Pedro Menard

Pedro Menard — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:17:12 +0000

Len Clements, Mr. knight in a shiny armour, hero and protector of MLM’rs in general and renowned author of the “zealots” series… here he comes again.

Mr. Clements, I have something to ask you myself, although I’m pretty sure you’ll simply ignore this request: I would like you to come up with a solid, reliable, backed-up research about income values regarding USANA, you know, like Mr. FitzPatrick has done: how many people earn a profit, how many lose money, how many actually sell products to third-party consumers, what’s the average annual income for lower rank salespeople (costs subtracted), haw many quit the business during first year, etc., etc, etc,

I’m sure you won’t have any problems putting all this data together as I’m sure USANA will be very happy to provide you with real information, taken directly from their databases. After all, they must be eager to prove their business is profitable for everyone.

You come up with these figures and I’ll eat my hat.

Best Regards,

Pedro Menard.

By: Barbara

Barbara — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:22:19 +0000

Thanks Tracy I appreciate the feed back…