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		<title>By: Tracy Coenen</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182931</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Coenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again Juanler! No, I don&#039;t have to prove anything to you. Yes, I have taught for 9 years. Yes, it is on this website. Again, the issue of teacher pay is discussed many times on this site, so if you think this article is the only mention of teacher pay, then you&#039;ve just proven how ignorant you are.

You said: &quot;If you walked into a court room for a case on fraud with a single piece of paper to support your claim, they’d throw your case out.&quot;

Really? How do you draw that conclusion? How could you know if one piece of paper is or is not enough to support an allegation of fraud? In my experience, a piece of paper can be enough to prove fraud. Yes, one piece of paper.

You are really out of your league here with your criticisms. You have no basis whatsoever for claiming I&#039;m not making a &quot;just&quot; or &quot;sound&quot; opinion. In fact, my opinions are backed in general by years of experience and research, as well as the ability to understand and analyze issues. 

Should you like to comment again on this blog, please bring some actual facts or substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again Juanler! No, I don&#8217;t have to prove anything to you. Yes, I have taught for 9 years. Yes, it is on this website. Again, the issue of teacher pay is discussed many times on this site, so if you think this article is the only mention of teacher pay, then you&#8217;ve just proven how ignorant you are.</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;If you walked into a court room for a case on fraud with a single piece of paper to support your claim, they’d throw your case out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? How do you draw that conclusion? How could you know if one piece of paper is or is not enough to support an allegation of fraud? In my experience, a piece of paper can be enough to prove fraud. Yes, one piece of paper.</p>
<p>You are really out of your league here with your criticisms. You have no basis whatsoever for claiming I&#8217;m not making a &#8220;just&#8221; or &#8220;sound&#8221; opinion. In fact, my opinions are backed in general by years of experience and research, as well as the ability to understand and analyze issues. </p>
<p>Should you like to comment again on this blog, please bring some actual facts or substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Juanler</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182929</link>
		<dc:creator>Juanler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should have to back it up. You&#039;re making a claim that you know what a profession is like and that you did it for 9 years. So here is a simple yes or no question. Did you teach children, K-12, in a public or private school for 9 years? Just so I&#039;m clear I&#039;m not asking if you lectured at a university or talked to a group of people to inform them about fraud or taxes. I&#039;m asking about the actual teaching profession that you are questioning with this post. 

As far as other supporting articles, I haven&#039;t another single article cited by you on any of your other posts addressing teacher pay. This post is about teacher salary. It&#039;s the only post you&#039;ve made about it and the article you cited is the only information you used. You call me ignorant yet you can&#039;t answer any of my questions or even follow what I post. I have read your other posts and they have nothing to do with this issue. Most of your posts involve you ranting over some issue while you call people idiots and stupid. Many times, like this post, you find one single article to support what you&#039;re talking about. Many of your sources don&#039;t exist anymore. You keep talking as though you are completely informed on this subject yet most of your posts are simply an opinion you toss out and rave on about. If you walked into a court room for a case on fraud with a single piece of paper to support your claim, they&#039;d throw your case out. 

I&#039;m sorry, but you rant and rave about the educational system where you are at and how horrible and bad the teachers, administration, and other people are. They might be. But you lack anything that actually helps people understand the problem or even any suggestions on how to fix it. Most of your supporting information is shallow or non-existant. I can understand being angry with a school district. But don&#039;t claim things as fact about a whole profession. Don&#039;t look at things through such a narrow view. You clearly aren&#039;t finding all the information to make a just and sound opinion. I think you&#039;ve already made up your mind about education, teachers, and schools. Now you&#039;re just trying to find information to support your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should have to back it up. You&#8217;re making a claim that you know what a profession is like and that you did it for 9 years. So here is a simple yes or no question. Did you teach children, K-12, in a public or private school for 9 years? Just so I&#8217;m clear I&#8217;m not asking if you lectured at a university or talked to a group of people to inform them about fraud or taxes. I&#8217;m asking about the actual teaching profession that you are questioning with this post. </p>
<p>As far as other supporting articles, I haven&#8217;t another single article cited by you on any of your other posts addressing teacher pay. This post is about teacher salary. It&#8217;s the only post you&#8217;ve made about it and the article you cited is the only information you used. You call me ignorant yet you can&#8217;t answer any of my questions or even follow what I post. I have read your other posts and they have nothing to do with this issue. Most of your posts involve you ranting over some issue while you call people idiots and stupid. Many times, like this post, you find one single article to support what you&#8217;re talking about. Many of your sources don&#8217;t exist anymore. You keep talking as though you are completely informed on this subject yet most of your posts are simply an opinion you toss out and rave on about. If you walked into a court room for a case on fraud with a single piece of paper to support your claim, they&#8217;d throw your case out. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you rant and rave about the educational system where you are at and how horrible and bad the teachers, administration, and other people are. They might be. But you lack anything that actually helps people understand the problem or even any suggestions on how to fix it. Most of your supporting information is shallow or non-existant. I can understand being angry with a school district. But don&#8217;t claim things as fact about a whole profession. Don&#8217;t look at things through such a narrow view. You clearly aren&#8217;t finding all the information to make a just and sound opinion. I think you&#8217;ve already made up your mind about education, teachers, and schools. Now you&#8217;re just trying to find information to support your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Coenen</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182927</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Coenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I can back it up, even though I don&#039;t need to prove anything to you. Again, the fact that you can&#039;t find the information about this on my site is not my problem. And again, there is plenty on this site about the educational system, the issue on this page, other sources of information, and my opinions. If you&#039;re too ignorant to look around and read and comprehend, that&#039;s not really my fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I can back it up, even though I don&#8217;t need to prove anything to you. Again, the fact that you can&#8217;t find the information about this on my site is not my problem. And again, there is plenty on this site about the educational system, the issue on this page, other sources of information, and my opinions. If you&#8217;re too ignorant to look around and read and comprehend, that&#8217;s not really my fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Juanler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juanler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said you have taught for 9 years yet have nothing to back that claim up with. That&#039;s like me saying I know about the tax system and fraud and that I can make opinions about what you do without backing up my claim with any supporting education or actual experience. 

This entire discussion is based off one single piece of information. 
How can any opinion be formed on something when there has only been a single clue presented. What I cited was not research, it was another opinion. An opinion like yours. But they used more than one source to base it off of. My point is not the relevence of the article you cited. My point is how you and others are making an entire one sided opinion on something without looking beyond one single source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said you have taught for 9 years yet have nothing to back that claim up with. That&#8217;s like me saying I know about the tax system and fraud and that I can make opinions about what you do without backing up my claim with any supporting education or actual experience. </p>
<p>This entire discussion is based off one single piece of information.<br />
How can any opinion be formed on something when there has only been a single clue presented. What I cited was not research, it was another opinion. An opinion like yours. But they used more than one source to base it off of. My point is not the relevence of the article you cited. My point is how you and others are making an entire one sided opinion on something without looking beyond one single source.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Coenen</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182923</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Coenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t find the information on my website, it&#039;s not my problem. And you&#039;re right in that I found a very credible research paper that I cited.  And yes, I formed an opinion based on their research. This research is far more credible than the article you&#039;ve cited, so I think it&#039;s a great piece of information to consider. And incidentally, I&#039;ve cited many other things on this topic on this site, so there goes your argument about &quot;one piece of information.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t find the information on my website, it&#8217;s not my problem. And you&#8217;re right in that I found a very credible research paper that I cited.  And yes, I formed an opinion based on their research. This research is far more credible than the article you&#8217;ve cited, so I think it&#8217;s a great piece of information to consider. And incidentally, I&#8217;ve cited many other things on this topic on this site, so there goes your argument about &#8220;one piece of information.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Juanler</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182921</link>
		<dc:creator>Juanler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should also be clear as to what I was referring to. I was talking specifically about your post. You found one piece of information and ran with it. You didn&#039;t look for any other information. You saw this and stopped. The other people who have posted here did the same thing. They saw one piece of information and based an entire opinion off it. The link I pasted shows someone who looked for more than one piece of information to form an opinion. Finding one study, no matter how well or how long it was done, will never provide a clear picture of the reality of anything. I&#039;m not questioning the article you cited. I&#039;m questioning the idea that one piece of information can be strong enough evidence to support an entire opinion of something, whether it&#039;s positive or negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should also be clear as to what I was referring to. I was talking specifically about your post. You found one piece of information and ran with it. You didn&#8217;t look for any other information. You saw this and stopped. The other people who have posted here did the same thing. They saw one piece of information and based an entire opinion off it. The link I pasted shows someone who looked for more than one piece of information to form an opinion. Finding one study, no matter how well or how long it was done, will never provide a clear picture of the reality of anything. I&#8217;m not questioning the article you cited. I&#8217;m questioning the idea that one piece of information can be strong enough evidence to support an entire opinion of something, whether it&#8217;s positive or negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Juanler</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182919</link>
		<dc:creator>Juanler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And not that it matters… But I’ve been teaching for the last 9 years, so I think I’ve got a fairly good grasp on what the job entails.&quot;

I don&#039;t see an education degree or listed employment in any school on your &quot;About Tracy&quot; page. You must have accidentally left that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And not that it matters… But I’ve been teaching for the last 9 years, so I think I’ve got a fairly good grasp on what the job entails.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see an education degree or listed employment in any school on your &#8220;About Tracy&#8221; page. You must have accidentally left that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Coenen</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182909</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Coenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juanler - You say this is based on &quot;a completely unclear view of reality.&quot; Are you saying that the facts put out by MPS about teacher pay and benefits are not true? Are you saying the research in this report I&#039;ve cited was less extensive than the research done for the article you&#039;ve cited? The article you&#039;ve cited probably took about 1 hour to research, while the report I cite here probably took a hundred hours or more. But your article is more credible? I think not.

And not that it matters... But I&#039;ve been teaching for the last 9 years, so I think I&#039;ve got a fairly good grasp on what the job entails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juanler &#8211; You say this is based on &#8220;a completely unclear view of reality.&#8221; Are you saying that the facts put out by MPS about teacher pay and benefits are not true? Are you saying the research in this report I&#8217;ve cited was less extensive than the research done for the article you&#8217;ve cited? The article you&#8217;ve cited probably took about 1 hour to research, while the report I cite here probably took a hundred hours or more. But your article is more credible? I think not.</p>
<p>And not that it matters&#8230; But I&#8217;ve been teaching for the last 9 years, so I think I&#8217;ve got a fairly good grasp on what the job entails.</p>
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		<title>By: Juanler</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-182905</link>
		<dc:creator>Juanler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another teacher bashing article poorly supported by anything but a little piece of data. What you&#039;ve done is not find any actual evidence that proves a claim, you&#039;ve simply found the one piece that supports your personal view. You had your opinion first then went to find something to support it. Real articles/posts are created by first finding evidence and facts, understanding it, then creating an opinion based off it. And when I say evidence, I mean all evidence. Like this article.

http://encarta.msn.com/column_teacherpaymain_tamimhome/are_teachers_overpaid.html

He didn&#039;t just look at one thing. He actually collected evidence from several different areas and constructed an opinion based on it. 

So far, most of the people here have done nothing but run around yelling &quot;Look! I have the proof I&#039;m right!! It&#039;s all right here!&quot; At the same time you ignore anything else out there that might suggest something different. 

I&#039;m pretty sure not a single person who has posted here, saying teachers are overpaid, actually knows what it is to teach. What teachers actually have to do. If I thought the same way I could say accountants have it easy, they just plug numbers into a calculator. Farmers have it easy, they just sit and drive machines around. Doctors have it easy they just look at someone, write down some notes, and charge a fee. Police have it easy, they sit and pull people over all day, not a very tough job. Of course, I&#039;m not that ignorant.

A completely worthless blog post based off a competely unclear view of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another teacher bashing article poorly supported by anything but a little piece of data. What you&#8217;ve done is not find any actual evidence that proves a claim, you&#8217;ve simply found the one piece that supports your personal view. You had your opinion first then went to find something to support it. Real articles/posts are created by first finding evidence and facts, understanding it, then creating an opinion based off it. And when I say evidence, I mean all evidence. Like this article.</p>
<p><a href="http://encarta.msn.com/column_teacherpaymain_tamimhome/are_teachers_overpaid.html" rel="nofollow">http://encarta.msn.com/column_teacherpaymain_tamimhome/are_teachers_overpaid.html</a></p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t just look at one thing. He actually collected evidence from several different areas and constructed an opinion based on it. </p>
<p>So far, most of the people here have done nothing but run around yelling &#8220;Look! I have the proof I&#8217;m right!! It&#8217;s all right here!&#8221; At the same time you ignore anything else out there that might suggest something different. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure not a single person who has posted here, saying teachers are overpaid, actually knows what it is to teach. What teachers actually have to do. If I thought the same way I could say accountants have it easy, they just plug numbers into a calculator. Farmers have it easy, they just sit and drive machines around. Doctors have it easy they just look at someone, write down some notes, and charge a fee. Police have it easy, they sit and pull people over all day, not a very tough job. Of course, I&#8217;m not that ignorant.</p>
<p>A completely worthless blog post based off a competely unclear view of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2008/07/05/are-school-teachers-overpaid/comment-page-1/#comment-181509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I honestly WITH I had followed that route when I was younger.&quot;  Hmmm.  Seems you do not proofread, Bruce.  Your ignorance is showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I honestly WITH I had followed that route when I was younger.&#8221;  Hmmm.  Seems you do not proofread, Bruce.  Your ignorance is showing.</p>
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