I just read your findings and would also like to add that I just went to Len’s website and nowhere does it mention that he was ever a Zenza distributor. He lists all of his distributorships since 1979 – present and Zanza is not listed.

Sure makes me think there is something to Mr. Clements that I do not like.

Barry Minkow’s full report on USANA, including addenedums 1-20, are still available on the Web courtesy of “The Internet Archive.” Here’s a direct link to the index page Minkow formerly had on his site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070325225014/www.frauddiscovery.net/usana.html

I never leave comments for any posts but I’m just wondering, what does it do to you people to find out all about what this Clemens guy is doing? Gosh, such a lot of wasted energy…

Get a life people!

An email exchange with John Milton Fogg confirms that Len Clements was not only VP of Market Research for Zenza, but was also a Distributor for Zenza. Len Clements recruited John Milton Fogg and that is how he knows Len was a distributor. John Milton Fogg was in Len Clement’s downline!

Why is this a big deal? Because Len Clements never disclosed it. Not only that, but Len Clements even denied it!

Here is what Len Clements wrote on the Yahoo USANA message board (posting has since been removed): “You are so ignorant as to the facts of my relationship with Zenza that you don’t even know I was corporate, not a distributor! ” (Link)

I can’t wait to find out why Len Clement’s denied being a Zenza Distributor. Not only that, but currently there is apparently a lawsuit going on between Zenza and Len Clements.

Here’s what John Milton Fogg wrote back: (My Question in Bold, John’s Response in Italics)

John Fogg,

I recall listening to a conference call where Len Clements introduces you to Zenza where you were hesitant to join for a while until Len convinced you to join. Was Leonard Clements your sponsor (immediate upline member) in Zenza?

Yes.

I cannot find anything on the internet about Len Clements actually being a distributor in Zenza.

He was (he’s no longer affiliated with the company) a distributor and was on the corporate side as well. He sponsored me and some number of others. You’d need to ask him who.

Someone mentioned to me a while back that Len Clements is a distributor who recruited you into Zenza, which placed you in his downline. I’m just trying to get the facts straight.

Thanks,
Term

I’d love to know what the readers here think of this.

Len Clements claims that he was not “awarded” the distributor position, and followed the company’s policies and procedures for a Transfer of Distributorship. However, the policy requires the distributorship be transferred from the previous account owner to the new account owner. Unfortunately for Len, the previous account owner had already left the company and the position was an empty spot that remains within the hierarchy of distributors.

The policies and procedures does not allow the company to give existing distributor positions to their buddies.

Len Clements recently left ZENZA. He was their Vice President of Market Research of Zenza Life Sciences, LLC. The word now is that he also used to be a distributor for the company as well! Does he plan to move his existing downline from Zenza to his new position at USANA? I will be keeping a very close eye on that!

Here are three questions I ask Len:
1) How many people are in your downline on the leg you claim “doesn’t even always max out”?

2) What else did USANA give you?

3) Did you converse with Christine Cunningham personally to buy her USANA Business? Or did you converse with USANA, and USANA gave you that business center after Christine already left?

Here is Len Clement’s response:
QUOTE
term, I’ve explained in detail exactly why I am not going to answer any more of your questions about my acquiring this position. I clearly told you that I know you are not seeking any truths here, you are simply trolling for more fodder that you can spin and distort. Yet, you continue to ask these same questions over and over. So I must ask you…

1. Are you just ignoring my answer?

2. Are you illiterate?

3. Are you just stupid?

Len
UNQUOTE

Why does Len REFUSE to answer 3 simple questions? Seems obvious to me!

Can you tell me who is pursuing the accusations against Usana if Minkow is no longer doing it? and whether the cheating in china case in progressing?