Comments on: “Climate change”: Just another fraud on consumers

By: Btok

Btok — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:57:10 +0000

Lord Christopher Monckton, reporting from the summit, has stated that the only goal of the conference was to implement the framework and the funding for a world government ?quot; which he asserts has been achieved.“That is the one thing that they are definitely going to succeed in doing here and they will announce that as a victory in itself, and they will be right because that is the one and only single aim of this entire global warming conference, to establish the mechanism, the structure, and above all the funding for a world government.” They are going to take from the western countries the very large financial resources required to do that.” Monckton said, adding “They will disguise it by saying they are setting up a $100 billion fund for adaptation to climate change in third world countries, but actually, this money will almost all be gobbled up by the international bureaucracy.”“The first thing they will do, and the one thing I think they were always going to succeed in doing at this conference is to agree to establish what will be delicately called ‘the institutional framework’. Now that is a code word for world government.
PS: We need to establish the truth about Climate Change from credible Scientists’ stop these Climate Summits before we’re all Carbon taxed to death and acquire some UN and Elitist arrests! Like for example Al Gore! Folks we are actually dealing with criminals here! I don’t know if the world figures them too big to arrest or what but our Sovereignty is in peril of being lost! Help me stop them by stepping up and making your opinions known!

Take a look at this video clip with a little humor that states the case of where things stand with the CRU East Anglia Email Leaks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8O-E_GN0Kg&feature=player_embedded

By: Btok

Btok — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:38:00 +0000

http://www.infowars.com/climate-gate-is-your-fight/
http://gnosis474.blogspot.com/2009/11/climate-gate-is-your-fight.html
November 27, 2009
Those in the know are fully aware that the mainstream media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the State. You’re reading this, so you’re probably one of those people. It is so easy to fall into the mental trap that, if you know something, then how can it not be common knowledge? The sheep don’t even know what the carbon tax is, or what’s at stake in Copenhagen. They are completely and utterly clueless.
For the rest of us, the fight is joined. The globalists have thrown their best punches while we played rope-a-dope. Even before this scandal broke, they were running out of gas. Their gloves were heavy. A global agreement to supposedly cut carbon emissions, if you believed what the media told you (I don’t), was in already in jeopardy prior to the release of the hacked emails. These revelations are a flurry of knockout blows, if only we’re able to break through the media blackout and propaganda protecting these criminals from being fully exposed. The media will not be our ally in this.
The globalists, the eugenicists, are in this for the long haul. All of their eggs are in the climate hoax basket. They’re not going to stop now. Why would they? We all know this was never about climate change in the first place. We knew that they knew that it was the sun driving the climate, and that temperatures haven’t risen in at least ten years. If this were about saving the Earth – if they truly were not evil, just wrong, as the newest documentary naively suggests – then the climate scientists would’ve packed it in a long time ago.
No, what this is and always was about is an excuse for global government. This they certainly do not deny. Ban Ki-Moon, the UN Secretary General, penned an op-ed in the New York Times last month in which he called for a global government funded by carbon taxes. The new president of the European Union, Herman van Rompuy, said that 2009 was the first year of global governance, and that the Copenhagen climate conference would be “another step towards the global management of our planet”. In July, Al Gore spoke at Oxford University and stated that global governance, funded by the Waxman-Markey cap and trade tax which will be voted upon in the Senate within the coming weeks, is necessary for combating “climate change”.
The globalist plan for world government – the elimination of national sovereignty, ie the destruction of the United States of America – must be fully exposed. We know that this scheme is completely unknown to the vast majority of people. Perhaps now that Glenn Beck is finally speaking of this conspiracy, the Fox “News” crowd will get their heads out of their rears and realize it’s not “liberals” behind this, it’s globalists – there are prominent Republicans and so-called conservative leaders pushing this as well. Unfortunately, because Beck and Fox actively promote the left-right paradigm, the establishment will still try to paint the issue as an attack by right wing hacks and special interests.
Whatever, is happening to my family’s and my lifestyle without us having our say? Find out go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

By: Raj

Raj — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:10:14 +0000

Tracy, if you think there is no global warming, no problem. But readers should feel that your arguments againts global warming make sense. Right now, that has not happened.

By: Lee D

Lee D — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:03:18 +0000

This will change zealous minds not at all, but is worth reading regardless:

http://mises.org/story/3283

By: Duped

Duped — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:10:15 +0000

Ad hominem? I fail to see where I attacked your character, Paul. Merely asking you if you use the products that are a part of the “problem” does not constitute an attack. I did notice that you sidestepped that one, however.

Fact is, Mr. Grownup, that you are guilty of your own little Latin phrase: ironically appropriate name, glass houses, and Tracy not reading well does not add anything productive to an otherwise interesting debate.

You mentioned the burning of “3 billions tons of carbon every year”. And your point is?

By: Dash RipRock III

Dash RipRock III — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:43:35 +0000

Al Gore has really stepped in it this time. He could have spent the rest of his global warming career collecting money by spreading fear over events that were a century or at least half century in the future. Oh, but that wasn’t good enough for Big Al. He’s now told the biggest global warming whopper of his alarmist career:

AL GORE HAS PREDICTED THAT THE NORTHERN POLAR ICE CAP WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN FIVE YEARS!!!

When I heard this I assumed it was a rumor started by skeptics to make Gore look bad. It wasn’t until I viewed the video that I realized what Gore had done. Gore has started a five year credibility countdown timer ticking and it’s up to all of us to make sure that he is held accountable and proven to be a fraud when his dire prediction aimed at drumming up support doesn’t come true.

The mainstream media isn’t going to let this video see the light of day because they, unlike Al, understand the precarious position in which he has placed himself.

It is therefore up to us to spread the word about Big Al’s prediction. He must be exposed for the fear mongering opportunist that he has become.

To view the video, please visit the following site and click on the picture of Big Al holding up five fingers.

http://www.hootervillegazette.com

While visiting this site, you might want to watch a preview of the film “Not Evil, Just wrong” or watch “The Great Global Warming Swindle” which is found in the video section. Happy Viewing!!!

By: Tracy Coenen

Tracy Coenen — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:14:09 +0000

Well Paul, you apparently agree with me as well. This has been an interesting discussion, to say the least. Thanks for your participation. (Is “anyhoo” a word?)

By: Paul Haley

Paul Haley — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:33:09 +0000

Has anyone here actually read anything I’ve written any deeper than Greenpeace=Algore=savetheplanet=orelsewedie?

Duped, (Ironically appropriate name, BTW)

Well, I suppose it was fun having a grown up discussion without ad hominem attacks, but all good things must come to an end. As I stated in my original post, Al Gore isn’t an expert in climate change, and he has nothing to say on the subject that I would listen to. Yes, he’s an opportunist, and just like global warming deniers (or skeptics or whatever) he twisted facts and misrepresented data to make his position sound better for his purposes. Just an FYI, about 3 billions tons of carbon are burned every year as fuel, that’s in the form of petroleum, coal, and natural gas. I’m not screaming hysterically about that, it’s just a fact. That’s how much we’re turning into CO2 every year.

To answer your barrage of irrelevant questions: no. And I’m not condoning going back to the glory days of neanderthal-hood. In fact, I haven’t condoned any environmental activism. So learn to read a post before you respond to it, please.

Lee D.,

Could you provide a reference for any scientific research or paper or professional seminar discussion that would indicate global warming skepticism among professional researchers? You’re right that nothing is “proven” 100%, but that doesn’t mean we get to disregard reality until it is. Gravity is just a theory after all. A couple of things you said really stuck out to me: “Choosing a position and nailing yourself to it is not a scientific mindset.” and “Everyone who is emotional on this subject” At what point have you said anything that would support your position, or even show that you’ve objectively reviewed enough pertinent information to form an opinion on the subject? Let’s keep an eye on glass houses and so forth, no?

Tracy,

Apparently you don’t read any better than some others on this board (which I should have ascertained by what passes for credible information in your world). I never said we should spend “zillions” of dollars (I’m not even sure a zillion is a real number) fixing anything. What I’ve said is that global warming is reality. It’s easy to find whether the science backs up that assertion, but most people would rather rely on a pundit (ala Harold Amble) to feed them an opinion than go make an informed one on their own.

Anyhoo, I’m going to sign off this discussion now. As is usually the case in these kind of things, you’ve all inanely shouted me down without anything to back up your assertions, so I’ll just leave you to your deep thoughts of “The only thing that’s been proven is that the weather changes. (Duh.)” Scientific thought at its highest, indeed.

By: Tracy Coenen

Tracy Coenen — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:12:01 +0000

So what Paul is saying is that there is some link between human activity and the climate. He can’t quantify that link in any way, or prove the level of causation. For all we know, that link could be STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT. Yet we should spend zillions of dollars trying to reduce something that we don’t know needs reduction, and hope for the best? That’s just silly.

By: Lee D

Lee D — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:23:18 +0000

Climate Change is Identity Politics at it’s highest level. And the stridency surrounding certain positions is more akin to religious fervor than real scientific thinking, which is tragic. Saying that there is “no real debate” is patently false.

“Consensus thinking” doesn’t equal being right. Few things in science are ever proven 100% true except mathematical proofs. Sxity years ago, the mainstream in geology disregarded plate tectonics as kooky. Now it’s accepted. Heresy and orthodoxy change places over time. Choosing a position and nailing yourself to it is not a scientific mindset.

Everyone who is emotional on this subject (whichever way they lean) needs to read Charles Mackay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. This is neither the first instance of apocalyptic mania in human history, nor will it be the last.