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		<title>By: mikey boy</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-185633</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, you really can do all this for free. no need to pay 400.00. Or 100.00 per month. If STE gets enough suckers to buy in and click then i feel sorry for real sucker&#039;s W-9 they used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, you really can do all this for free. no need to pay 400.00. Or 100.00 per month. If STE gets enough suckers to buy in and click then i feel sorry for real sucker&#8217;s W-9 they used.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeTaxpayer</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-184368</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeTaxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drdrew - It&#039;s interesting you say that. What you allude to is called &#039;affinity fraud&#039;, where people easily get sucked into a scam because others whom they trust are part of it already. So, in a sense, your observation is accurate, not because religious people are gullible, but because for most people, their largest group of association is likely to be through their religious organization. 
For Madoff, it was religious, country clubs, and more, but it appears he had to do little promoting. His victims were his biggest promoters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drdrew &#8211; It&#8217;s interesting you say that. What you allude to is called &#8216;affinity fraud&#8217;, where people easily get sucked into a scam because others whom they trust are part of it already. So, in a sense, your observation is accurate, not because religious people are gullible, but because for most people, their largest group of association is likely to be through their religious organization.<br />
For Madoff, it was religious, country clubs, and more, but it appears he had to do little promoting. His victims were his biggest promoters.</p>
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		<title>By: Drdrew</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-184362</link>
		<dc:creator>Drdrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in west palm beach. I think religous people are more gullable to beleive anything even though facts state otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in west palm beach. I think religous people are more gullable to beleive anything even though facts state otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-184104</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny people defending ShopToEarn always use the sme line &#039;you get cash back on what you would purhase anyway&#039;.
first of all, most people don&#039;t have a clue how the internet and affiliate&#039;s work, and ShopToEarn thrives on people not being knowledgable about it.
Secondly, it&#039;s not &#039;cash back&#039;. All affiliates, which anyone can sign up for for free, which ShopToEarn did, and charge you to have links to ona page they create for you on their site (you own nothing), give you a &#039;commission&#039;. In this case, ShopToEarn gets the commision, which they take a portion of and give to you calling it &#039;cash back&#039; (it&#039;s taxable as well.. sign up for any affiliate rpogram or online ad program such as CJ or Google Adsense.. you have to file your tax info with them, get a 1099 at the end of the year, and you have gto claim everything you get, including cash from purchases you or someone else makes).
I have several websites (as that&#039;s my main business), mamny of which have affiliate programs on them. The so called &#039;cash back&#039; is more from the same vendors than ShopToEarn gives you as they take a chunk of it for themselves.
What ShopToEarn does is simple. Each affiliate link has a unique affilaite code in it (in the url itself). Your page on ShopToEarn (again, it&#039;s jsut a page on their site, it&#039;s not your site, you own nothing) has a tracker telling ShopToEarn who visits your page, and what they click on. When someone clicks a link and puchases something, ShopToEarn gets the commision from the sale or referral, and their tracker is telling them where and when the link was clicked. This is how they know who to give a portion of the commission to.
Tyhe kicker is, people are spending over $400.00 to sign up for something they can do themselves for free, make more from, and hav etotal control over, msot people just don&#039;t know they can.
You will never find a true website developer or internet tech involved with such MLM&#039;s because they know how it works. Even alot of novices who know how to get web hosting (even low casst at $5 per month) and build a simply html website know.

Finally, as for Vegas. People register their business there when not realy in Vages because they do have something to hide and don&#039;t want to be found, 90% of the time for legal reasons. ShopToEarn is run out of West Palm Beach, Florida, where the so called &#039;owner&#039; lives. I&#039;ve met him at meetings when people I know kept on my butt to join the scam. This was back when he was first taking off with it after &#039;developing it for 10 years), and didn&#039;t know any better than to talk about how he does the business (until he hired an out of work attorney, calle dhim a partner, yada yada yada). He uses &#039;friends&#039; to register things under, nd uses their various addresses so if he is sued, he can&#039;t be found (he can, but it takes awhile). It&#039;s an old bit, nothing knew, people have been doing it for years. Almost every MLM does it with the exception of those who was forced to go legit due to lawsuits such as Avon, Amway, etc.
The government does go after these pyramid schemes, but it takes them time. There are litterally thousands of them, with hundreds of new ones each day, it&#039;s a huge caseload.

Pay close attention to what the defenders of STE post here, then search other sites and blogs.. it&#039;s all the same memorized speech. If they were making the money they claim, they wouldn&#039;t care who posts something negative about STE, they&#039;re making their money. but since they have so much time to try and defend such scams, obviously it&#039;s bugging them that they can&#039;t get as many people to sign up under them so they can make money as they would like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny people defending ShopToEarn always use the sme line &#8216;you get cash back on what you would purhase anyway&#8217;.<br />
first of all, most people don&#8217;t have a clue how the internet and affiliate&#8217;s work, and ShopToEarn thrives on people not being knowledgable about it.<br />
Secondly, it&#8217;s not &#8216;cash back&#8217;. All affiliates, which anyone can sign up for for free, which ShopToEarn did, and charge you to have links to ona page they create for you on their site (you own nothing), give you a &#8216;commission&#8217;. In this case, ShopToEarn gets the commision, which they take a portion of and give to you calling it &#8216;cash back&#8217; (it&#8217;s taxable as well.. sign up for any affiliate rpogram or online ad program such as CJ or Google Adsense.. you have to file your tax info with them, get a 1099 at the end of the year, and you have gto claim everything you get, including cash from purchases you or someone else makes).<br />
I have several websites (as that&#8217;s my main business), mamny of which have affiliate programs on them. The so called &#8216;cash back&#8217; is more from the same vendors than ShopToEarn gives you as they take a chunk of it for themselves.<br />
What ShopToEarn does is simple. Each affiliate link has a unique affilaite code in it (in the url itself). Your page on ShopToEarn (again, it&#8217;s jsut a page on their site, it&#8217;s not your site, you own nothing) has a tracker telling ShopToEarn who visits your page, and what they click on. When someone clicks a link and puchases something, ShopToEarn gets the commision from the sale or referral, and their tracker is telling them where and when the link was clicked. This is how they know who to give a portion of the commission to.<br />
Tyhe kicker is, people are spending over $400.00 to sign up for something they can do themselves for free, make more from, and hav etotal control over, msot people just don&#8217;t know they can.<br />
You will never find a true website developer or internet tech involved with such MLM&#8217;s because they know how it works. Even alot of novices who know how to get web hosting (even low casst at $5 per month) and build a simply html website know.</p>
<p>Finally, as for Vegas. People register their business there when not realy in Vages because they do have something to hide and don&#8217;t want to be found, 90% of the time for legal reasons. ShopToEarn is run out of West Palm Beach, Florida, where the so called &#8216;owner&#8217; lives. I&#8217;ve met him at meetings when people I know kept on my butt to join the scam. This was back when he was first taking off with it after &#8216;developing it for 10 years), and didn&#8217;t know any better than to talk about how he does the business (until he hired an out of work attorney, calle dhim a partner, yada yada yada). He uses &#8216;friends&#8217; to register things under, nd uses their various addresses so if he is sued, he can&#8217;t be found (he can, but it takes awhile). It&#8217;s an old bit, nothing knew, people have been doing it for years. Almost every MLM does it with the exception of those who was forced to go legit due to lawsuits such as Avon, Amway, etc.<br />
The government does go after these pyramid schemes, but it takes them time. There are litterally thousands of them, with hundreds of new ones each day, it&#8217;s a huge caseload.</p>
<p>Pay close attention to what the defenders of STE post here, then search other sites and blogs.. it&#8217;s all the same memorized speech. If they were making the money they claim, they wouldn&#8217;t care who posts something negative about STE, they&#8217;re making their money. but since they have so much time to try and defend such scams, obviously it&#8217;s bugging them that they can&#8217;t get as many people to sign up under them so they can make money as they would like.</p>
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		<title>By: Drdrew</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-183943</link>
		<dc:creator>Drdrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get people sometimes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get people sometimes</p>
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		<title>By: WH</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-183792</link>
		<dc:creator>WH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I signed up for STE about 3 months ago. I don&#039;t understand why you guys claim it is a scam. You buy stuff that you already buy. You get a cash kickback. I shop at Target, Macy&#039;s, etc. It&#039;s not an MLM where you have to buy a specific product. Yes there is a $100 a month green product requirement, but that&#039;s only if you want to qualify for a bonus, and even if you don&#039;t qualify, your points are still waiting for you when you do. So what exactly is the scam part?

I got started as a &quot;business builder&quot; for only a hundred bucks buy in. That is a very low start up cost. And yes, you need to keep your legs a little bit balanced or youw on;t qualify for a bonus, but you don;t lose those pints. They acrue and are still waiting for you when you do qualify.

Can you save money other ways instead? You bet. Lots of stores ask for a membership fee and the give you good prices. I buy lots of stuff from thrifts tores too, and that&#039;s a better deal that ATE. But that doesn;t make STE a scam.

I can&#039;t speak to the backgrounds of the founders, but every time I have needed help or had questions from like 6 levels above me I have gotten a call back within hours. 

I can see that if you don&#039;t give a rat about green products then there isn&#039;t quite as much appeal, but I&#039;m not seeing a scam like everyone says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed up for STE about 3 months ago. I don&#8217;t understand why you guys claim it is a scam. You buy stuff that you already buy. You get a cash kickback. I shop at Target, Macy&#8217;s, etc. It&#8217;s not an MLM where you have to buy a specific product. Yes there is a $100 a month green product requirement, but that&#8217;s only if you want to qualify for a bonus, and even if you don&#8217;t qualify, your points are still waiting for you when you do. So what exactly is the scam part?</p>
<p>I got started as a &#8220;business builder&#8221; for only a hundred bucks buy in. That is a very low start up cost. And yes, you need to keep your legs a little bit balanced or youw on;t qualify for a bonus, but you don;t lose those pints. They acrue and are still waiting for you when you do qualify.</p>
<p>Can you save money other ways instead? You bet. Lots of stores ask for a membership fee and the give you good prices. I buy lots of stuff from thrifts tores too, and that&#8217;s a better deal that ATE. But that doesn;t make STE a scam.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak to the backgrounds of the founders, but every time I have needed help or had questions from like 6 levels above me I have gotten a call back within hours. </p>
<p>I can see that if you don&#8217;t give a rat about green products then there isn&#8217;t quite as much appeal, but I&#8217;m not seeing a scam like everyone says.</p>
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		<title>By: jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-183759</link>
		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very interested in the Shoptoearn program and went to last nights &quot;tour&quot; in Tampa.  I have been in MLM before...in fact that would be my question...Health4Wealth, have you investigated them? They are far more dishonest than what shop to earn is.  I still receive checks but am curious about what EXACTLY makes a MLM wrong??  Is it because people make money for work they don&#039;t officially do?  Help me to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very interested in the Shoptoearn program and went to last nights &#8220;tour&#8221; in Tampa.  I have been in MLM before&#8230;in fact that would be my question&#8230;Health4Wealth, have you investigated them? They are far more dishonest than what shop to earn is.  I still receive checks but am curious about what EXACTLY makes a MLM wrong??  Is it because people make money for work they don&#8217;t officially do?  Help me to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Inside ShopToEarn&#8217;s &#8220;customer service department&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inside ShopToEarn&#8217;s &#8220;customer service department&#8221;&#160;&#124;&#160;Sequence Inc. Fraud Files Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this blog have had plenty of questions about the company and its founder, Patrick Welsh. One reader did a bunch of research, and came away with more questions than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ecommerce brokers</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-183499</link>
		<dc:creator>ecommerce brokers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracey,

I have several businesses. And for the record, every person I would consider exposing to an MLM would be told in writing that 97% of the people who become involved in an MLM fail due to a number of factors ranging from not following instruction to not being able to engage in the business. So, unlike many 3rd party high pressure closing artists I expose to close at a later date after, and only after the recruit fully understands the philosophy and culture of the business and is ready to engage and duplicate the value of the business.

As for your books, I would buy them on a cash-back shopping site or on a used book website like ebay or textbooks.com. I feel Amazon is very expensive and I feel that I can get a better price on the same book online.

Finally, why don&#039;t you expose one of the most cruel marketing tactics I have ever heard involving Facebook??  I was recruited by someone pitching a drink MLM know as efusjon with the promise that it was going to be launched on Facebook over the July 4th weekend. Many, many people were given the same pitch.  Wait till you see the facebook launch and this compnay will go viral. Some people were pressured into signing up immediately on line so that they did not miss the launch. Well, I asked how much the upline distributors were making and no one made more than a thousand dollars in the past 6 months. The moral of this story is that if someone is desperate, the stay away....

Well, it is the end of July and the company lauched on Facebook and instead of the efusjon drink opportunity being promoted in the margins of the facebook pages you have to find distributors who will guide through their website. So, they people promoting the drink used a &quot;play on words&quot; to bait people into getting involved in a drink MLM that has questionable ingredients according to some who have investigated the opportunity.

Another worse and far greater scam is that of all of those &quot;marketing coaches&quot; on the internet preying on the 97% of those who are failing or about to fail in network marketing from their inability to follow directions. This horrible scam which is far worse than any MLM is that of &quot;self proclaimed&quot; experts selling referral leads and training videos that are no more than some general statements made in a folksie atmosphere reminiscent of a Saturday Nite Live skit.

If you have done hundreds of hours of research into MLM&#039;s you would have found that Shop to Earn is a legitimate company with a focus on online cash back shopping. You can join the company as a website owner, never refer another person and still make money from people shopping on your website. And you can also join as a preferred shopper for free and enjoy all of the products on the site with the benefits of online shopping coupons.

So Tracey, I invite you to comparison shop from my site, which you have my website and email address. If you do your research and comparison shop you will save money on many products. However, you must comparison shop becasue some products will be higher priced due to various market conditions. I do not need any more referrals and I have made good money on this site from shopping as well as referring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracey,</p>
<p>I have several businesses. And for the record, every person I would consider exposing to an MLM would be told in writing that 97% of the people who become involved in an MLM fail due to a number of factors ranging from not following instruction to not being able to engage in the business. So, unlike many 3rd party high pressure closing artists I expose to close at a later date after, and only after the recruit fully understands the philosophy and culture of the business and is ready to engage and duplicate the value of the business.</p>
<p>As for your books, I would buy them on a cash-back shopping site or on a used book website like ebay or textbooks.com. I feel Amazon is very expensive and I feel that I can get a better price on the same book online.</p>
<p>Finally, why don&#8217;t you expose one of the most cruel marketing tactics I have ever heard involving Facebook??  I was recruited by someone pitching a drink MLM know as efusjon with the promise that it was going to be launched on Facebook over the July 4th weekend. Many, many people were given the same pitch.  Wait till you see the facebook launch and this compnay will go viral. Some people were pressured into signing up immediately on line so that they did not miss the launch. Well, I asked how much the upline distributors were making and no one made more than a thousand dollars in the past 6 months. The moral of this story is that if someone is desperate, the stay away&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well, it is the end of July and the company lauched on Facebook and instead of the efusjon drink opportunity being promoted in the margins of the facebook pages you have to find distributors who will guide through their website. So, they people promoting the drink used a &#8220;play on words&#8221; to bait people into getting involved in a drink MLM that has questionable ingredients according to some who have investigated the opportunity.</p>
<p>Another worse and far greater scam is that of all of those &#8220;marketing coaches&#8221; on the internet preying on the 97% of those who are failing or about to fail in network marketing from their inability to follow directions. This horrible scam which is far worse than any MLM is that of &#8220;self proclaimed&#8221; experts selling referral leads and training videos that are no more than some general statements made in a folksie atmosphere reminiscent of a Saturday Nite Live skit.</p>
<p>If you have done hundreds of hours of research into MLM&#8217;s you would have found that Shop to Earn is a legitimate company with a focus on online cash back shopping. You can join the company as a website owner, never refer another person and still make money from people shopping on your website. And you can also join as a preferred shopper for free and enjoy all of the products on the site with the benefits of online shopping coupons.</p>
<p>So Tracey, I invite you to comparison shop from my site, which you have my website and email address. If you do your research and comparison shop you will save money on many products. However, you must comparison shop becasue some products will be higher priced due to various market conditions. I do not need any more referrals and I have made good money on this site from shopping as well as referring.</p>
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		<title>By: John Grandin</title>
		<link>http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2009/02/11/a-reader-researches-shop-to-earn/comment-page-1/#comment-183283</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grandin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I always find interesting about people who defend these MLM scams is that they never seem to have a story about their own personal success.  It&#039;s always about how they know people or have heard of people who have made a lot of money.  When you dig a little deeper they finally admit no they haven&#039;t made any real money but they know that they will.  Yeah well I have a lottery ticket for this Tuesday&#039;s Mega Millions drawing.  Lets see what happens.  In all seriousness though folks the people who make money in these MLM systems are the ones who start them or the ones who get in at the launch phase.  The main constant with these systems is that they come and they go.  Once the system&#039;s collapse the scammers are on to their next MLM idea to recruit people and snatch their money.  I love the people who actually think this is their own business.  Oh really?  What&#039;s it worth?  Can you sell it at any point and get something for it?  What kinds of lines of credit will a bank give you in order to grow it?  Wake up people!!!  I&#039;m not surprised though.  Once they have your money and you have burned bridges with your friends and family I too would bend over backwards insisting I wasn&#039;t taken by a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I always find interesting about people who defend these MLM scams is that they never seem to have a story about their own personal success.  It&#8217;s always about how they know people or have heard of people who have made a lot of money.  When you dig a little deeper they finally admit no they haven&#8217;t made any real money but they know that they will.  Yeah well I have a lottery ticket for this Tuesday&#8217;s Mega Millions drawing.  Lets see what happens.  In all seriousness though folks the people who make money in these MLM systems are the ones who start them or the ones who get in at the launch phase.  The main constant with these systems is that they come and they go.  Once the system&#8217;s collapse the scammers are on to their next MLM idea to recruit people and snatch their money.  I love the people who actually think this is their own business.  Oh really?  What&#8217;s it worth?  Can you sell it at any point and get something for it?  What kinds of lines of credit will a bank give you in order to grow it?  Wake up people!!!  I&#8217;m not surprised though.  Once they have your money and you have burned bridges with your friends and family I too would bend over backwards insisting I wasn&#8217;t taken by a scam.</p>
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