18 Jul

Dirty Little Secrets of Their Little Quixtar Cult

Written by QuixtarIsACult

Have you ever had an invite from a friend, associate, or a stranger that left you in the lurch wondering just what the invite was all about? Maybe, just out of the blue, an old acquaintance that you have not seen since high school calls you up and invites you to see something that is so important that you absolutely must do it! Your old friend is very vague about just what this “something” is.

Even if you become suspicious and ask if it is “Amway?” Your friend might respond and say something like this: “I can’t really talk about it over the phone; you will just have to see this for yourself.” Your curiosity has been piqued.

You most likely have just been exposed to the “curiosity invite”, one of the selling tactics of a multi-level marketer. Amway, one of these MLM companies has been operating under the name of Quixtar in the United States since 1999, but do not let the name change to Amway Global fool you, it is still basically the same old Amway operating nearly the same way it has for almost fifty years.

Many people may have noticed the series of commercials being run by Quixtar announcing their name change to Amway Global. They claim to be the number #1 on line retailer of health and beauty products in the US, although most of their sales are to their own distributors who by percentage make very few retail sales to outside customers which has been reported to be less than 5%. (NOW YOU REALLY KNOW!)

Their commercials also seek to rehabilitate the Amway name which had fallen into ill repute by fraud and pyramid scheme allegations of the past. They display the two product lines which they are most proud of Nutrilite Health Products and Artistry Cosmetics. During the transition period the company will operate under both names with the Quixtar name to be eventually phased out all together in favor of the new Amway Global.

Quixtar distributors are called “Independent Business Owners” or IBOs for convenience. These IBOs always are part of a system that includes an “up-line” and a “down-line”. These IBOs receive a distributor discounts on the products they buy whether they are sold or consumed by the distributor.

The idea is that any product that they retail at full price provides them with a profit and they are also encouraged to use the products themselves. Nothing unusable about this. Buy at a discount and sell for full retail is a universally accepted method of making a little extra money in the business, but as I will describe realizing a profit in this business can be very difficult to achieve. The remainder of this article will describe their “little Quixtar cult” and their “dirty little secrets”.

Much of what I am going to tell you about “the Business Cult” comes from Tex, a disgruntled Quixtar distributor himself and a modern age cyber-space David who takes on the Amway tool kingpin Goliath by revealing how the kingpins operate their tool scam business. These kingpins run a monopoly business selling motivational training materials to include seminar and rally tickets, and this is commonly called the “tool and function” business.

Calling these top distributors tool kingpins is mild compared to the “lying, cowardly kingpins” that Tex calls them during his on-line battle to have these corrupt people thrown out of the business he believes could be a restored to what the founding fathers intended. I will now describe how these kingpin sellers of tools operate and the harm they do to distributors like Tex who are struggling to make an enthusiastic go of the business.

The tool kingpins head up what is commonly known as the “motivational organizations” which have an entire “down-line” of IBO distributors. In this down-line there are any number of supposedly successful IBOs holding titles like “diamond, emerald, and platinum” while the tool kingpins hold an exalted title like “Crown” or “Executive-Crown” and so forth. A similar system exists in many other multi-level marketing companies, which I advise readers to be wary of also.

In Quixtar/Amway these kingpin’s trappings of wealth serves as the “bait” for starry eyed distributors who believe they can emulate their success and also become wealthy in the business. Visions of money, palatial estates, and luxury automobiles become possible in the success dream that these kingpin distributors inspire in new recruits who want to become like the successful kingpin distributors they see up on stage at quarterly rallies.

These kingpins draw Tex’s ire because of the harm they do to down-line distributors out of greed to sell their inventory of motivational materials with little regard that distributors turn a profit.

Tex told me about their “Dirty Little Secret.” New distributors are led to believe that success in Quixtar comes from the commissions paid by Quixtar for product purchases made by a distributors and the down-line recruits. The dirty little secret is that these kingpin distributors derive most of their wealth from the multi-million dollar tool and function business, not from Amway/Quixtar commissions or bonuses.

Distributors in the Quixtar business spend most of their time trying to recruit new distributors into the business where an annoying invite to see their plan is routine procedure. They are urged on by the teachings of their training materials and their up-line “mentors”. IBOs strive to build a down-line business and new recruits are encouraged to buy the tools and function tickets described as the key to becoming a Quixtar success story. This makes the tool kingpins very happy because they profit handsomely.

In times past, distributors were told that the tools were sold at or near cost and that success in the business came from Quixtar not from tool sales. The 2004 Dateline expose on Quixtar corruption pulled their dirty rug out from under the Genie and exposed the dirty little secret of their little Quixtar cult. Although Amway/Quixtar has denied these allegations ever since, the truth has been out in the open and Tex believes that he and his fellow IBOs have been and are continuing to be victimized by the “lying, cowardly kingpins”.

Tex says the tool kingpins operate a bait and switch operation where their tool sales benefit by high distributor turn over that the kingpins tool system helps bring about. New distributors will buy tools while veteran distributors need not as many and therefore become less profitable in the eyes of the kingpins. New recruits come into the business wanting to achieve some level of success, and then get driven like cattle into the tool kingpin’s “money making machine” and find themselves in a losing catch 22 situation. Like “Simple Simons” they will buy the tool kingpin’s wares and attend the seminars and rallies until they eventually become discouraged by high loss, unfulfilled expectations, disillusionment with the dream and eventually quit.

Many of these ex-distributors put their accumulated books, cds, videos, and magazines up for sale on ebay hoping to at least get pennies back on the dollar. Many times these materials receive no bids, go unsold and remain relatively worthless!

The up-line distributor in anguish must now recruit another enthusiastic face to replace the distributor that quit. Remember, his goal is to retain new distributors who will help him become profitable by buying products. An IBO in search of a new distributor is like a man trying to run up a down escalator: two steps up and one step down; one step up and two steps down! His continued efforts hardly benefits him at all while at the same time it produces a pot of gold for the tool kingpin leprechaun.

There are three distinct groups of people in the Amway/Quixtar business, the company owners, the tool kingpins, and the body of every day distributors like Tex. The first two groups benefit and prosper from the business while the last group of distributors do all the recruiting, buy nearly all the products, and also buy all the training materials to include seminar and rally tickets. This group has less time to spend with their family and many suffer social stigma which can include disappointed family members and the alienation of friends.

Children are many times handed off to sitters for care so both parents can work the business together, a common Quixtar strategy. Amafights over the business are common. Distributors many times are asked to make incredible sacrifices to stay in the business, which because of its dependence on mind numbing propaganda, up line oversight, and instructions to ignore the negatives, becomes what I describe as “THE BUSINESS CULT”.

Tex urges IBOs to take a stance and contact the Federal Trade Commission and make a complaint. He also urges people to write their state and federal representatives about the tool kingpin corruption. Amway founder, Rich Devos, some years ago condemned the very same corruption that is STILL alive and well in Amway today. Tex, the little David, wants the current Pharaoh at Amway to take the Goliath tool kingpins off of the battle field.

Failure to vanquish the tool kingpins will force Tex to call for Amway to be shut down as a pyramid scheme and thereby put an end to the pernicious business cult. Most importantly, if you are presented with a Amway business opportunity, please use your own good common sense and do the right thing. Save yourself some aggravation and avoid the corrupt kingpin sellers of deceit! The money you save can be invested towards a sure thing early retirement where walking the beach is truly an achievable dream unlike MLM schemes and scams.

37 thoughts on “Dirty Little Secrets of Their Little Quixtar Cult

  1. Thanks for the additional visibility. What we REALLY need to do is put our heads together and figure out how to END the tool scam.

    I don’t think mere blogging is enough.

  2. I agree – Both the tools scam and multi-level marketing companies in general need to be ended. However, the realities of doing that are that it’s next to impossible. Our next best bet is education of consumers so that they don’t get taken in by these scams. I know it’s a long road and our impact is small. But hopefully as other bloggers see that we’re standing up to these companies, they’ll help promote the message too.

  3. Tracy…

    Information and the distribution of that information is the real enemy of any cult. People that are schooled in MLM information are less likely to accept that opportunity. That can be viewed as a positive. These people are not friend of the common man. They are a friend to their own greed. They serve a master and worship filthy lucre.

  4. I do NOT agree MLM companies in general should be ended. If you can convince me otherwise, go for it.

    The Amway/Quixtar tool scam is a separate issue, however.

  5. Everyone except the lying cowardly “kingpins.”

    The winners would include all other IBO’s, prospects, customers, and A/Q.

  6. Tracy…

    It seems as though this post on your Page has brought the entire The Truth In Amway Forum crashing down. In an effort to prevent a commentator from bringing up the post, it seems that Ibofightback through error or intensionally killed his forum database. My opinion is that these TOOL SCAM allegations have prompted the Insider to implode his own forum. The tool scam issue has brought these people into the light of day, and the most viewed string of comments on his own blog were the embarrassing String that I and Tex exposed their Tool Scam and whom ibofightback didn’t want the Younglings to see. These younglings are either new IBOs or prospects looking for the information that Insider wants to all be favorable. Too bad, the most viewed pages on this own forum were full of negative truths that had to be dumped somehow.

    To think that bloggers don’t have some influence in the world is to think wrong. Thanks Tracy for helping others see the truth of these merchants of deception and providing information that these Amway recruiters do not want their prospects to see.

  7. Sorry to disappoint you QIAC, but you had little to do with my forums crash except that at the time I was proving you were putting up fake posts pretending to be other people.

    Forums are back, Amway Talk

    Oh, but that’s right, you’re banned for being personally abusive to people, several times, ignoring warnings about it, and now of course for doing fake posts from made up people.

    Good to see you’re soooo honest … not.

  8. Although I would love for you to be correct, I have been saying similar things on various blogs for 3 years.

    What we need is to turn it up a notch, by getting organized and taking down the tool scam once and for all.

  9. Tracy…

    Ibofightback has put this explanation for why his TTAA Forum data base was lost on his (un)Truth About Amway website:

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    Well, I’d been planning a site dedicated to the forums for a while, for a number of reasons including the potential benefits to search engine rankings. The plan was to get it all setup and looking pretty and then migrate all the existing TTAA posts across.

    Unfortunately, it didn’t happen that way. There’s a lot of things going on in the background with my other business interests that affect my websites, and an unfortunate set of coincidences involving that, matched with a particularly stupid mistake by myself while investigating QIAC’s dishonesty (see the post in the Critic Watch forum) meant I badly corrupted the TTAA forums and don’t have access to the backups. In theory I might be able to restore it all, in practice it’s not worth the effort.

    **********************************************

    I’ve already explained why this blithering dunder-head has killed his own data base. His forum had become a bigger detriment to recruitment than a help. Isn’t that the whole purpose of his propaganda oriented efforts. Dump the bad lot of comments that he didn’t want the Younglings to see.

    If I somehow helped take his forum down, shouldn’t I get a medal or something?

  10. Dirty Little Secrets of Their Little Quixtar Cult PART II

    To continue the woe of the tool kingpin expose, again Big Hat reveals some information that made me understand the connection between Quixtar Amway tool kingpins and down line distributors. Actually the Kingpins see the down line distributors as “yes”, of all things “DISTRIBUTORS” of the “Tools for Fools literary club. “The Business Cult” down line distributors are roped into doing the bidding of their cult leaders kingpins in this scheme.

    Big Hat tells me a few things from time to time. He is of the opinion that the Kingpins are doing way more to promote a utter fleecing of the sheep then I’d ever have imagined possible. The insider information seems to point at a particular “near-soldier” in the “organization”. At this point I must stop to remind you that the kingpin’s organization has been described as being structured similarly to that of the syndicate, which in my opinion, is reason enough not to become involved in a Quixtar Amway opportunity anything; indeed this goes for nearly any MLM scheme many of which operate like a cousin Vinnie to Amway.

    A dirty little secret is that there are these “near soldier” folks who are out pushing their own agenda onto the “over-sold” dream believers. This is a continual pushing of the tools, the mostly useless propaganda and blarney that the cult is instructed to believe (regardless whether it actually does more harm than good). These types of people act like a baby vultures. You might say these baby vultures could be comparable to drug pushers. Tool Kingpin after all secretly advocate their own greedy interests while trying to make the “Independent Business Owners” believe they are advocating their success: quite a duplexity! The tool scam has been outed and continues to be a problem of ever concern for kingpin panderers of deceit.

    An article on Forbes “Climbing To The Top” has shed some light on just how kingpins like bad boy Orrin Woodward works. This article Dirty Little Secrets of Their Dirty Little Quixtar cult part II is well ahead of the curve. I would have to say that Monavie sure got a black eye from the Forbes Article, and just like being in the ring at a prize fight, you can get a nice head-butt from the guy in front who took a full shot if you know what I mean. And that is what happened to Amway., and since Amway was standing right behind, Amway got a black eye too. That is how I describe this situation. I am not going to try and spin it like others might. It is just another major embarrassment for both companies. These people after all are not angels. Former Am-Kingpin Woodward shines light on a very nasty situation going on in Quixtar. I call it the tools for the fools club.

    The recent tool scam and revelations made by Big Hat, and now this Forbes article just goes to show that there is a stir in cyberspace, that the tool scam is being widely circulated. As the Quixtar environment heats up with the reputation rehab ad campaign so does the pace of critical notice. It would seem that our government agencies are tangled up in red tape and are unwilling or unconcerned enough to step in and do something about it. One thing I can tell you for certain is that the fleecing of all the lambs still continues. The kingpins are the turkey vultures sitting on their money perch who look down on their valley of duped carrion and feel smug that they are the only real winners in a cruel game where nearly everyone else are losers in the long and short of things. These are secrets that your up line does not want you to know and part of the dirty little secrets of their little Quixtar Cult horror story expose.

    The tool scam, the product scam, and the business cult scam are reason enough to stay far removed from Amway anything; Quixtar sucks, Amway sucks, Alticore sucks, and I would be very skeptical about even MonaVie nosing in for a nipple? Which seems to suck a little too! Quixtar Cult Intervention serves to help mankind become free of pernicious business cults. People are being harmed and flushed routinely by these meat grinders of a business, which is really front for the cult and as every one knows, nothing good goes on in a cult.

    Quixtar Cult Intervention continues to pull the rug out from under these Amway Genies. There may be a lot of other reasons to not to want to waste you time on Amway, but these tool kingpin scoundrels are one of the biggest! Orrin may be bragging but he pulled the covers off of these other greedy kingpins and their money making machine that the Quixtar cult drones keep walking through. Beware of Amway!

  11. I HAVE TO DISAGREE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FOR 14 MONTHS AND I BRING IN ABOUT 1000 EXTRA DOLLARS A MONTH OF EXTRA INCOME THAT I CAN JUST PLAY WITH OR SAVE. SO I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS A GOOD COMPANY

  12. Ok I will disclose that I am currently an IBO, I have been involved with Amway since 1991either as a customer, or as an IBO. During thast time I have bought tapes, attended functions and such. While the motivational information is geared towards the business, I have used a great deal of it in my personal life and at my job, the “tools” also can be written off on your taxes as a business expense. I know there are alot of people that try this business and don’t succeed, just as there are many that try certain jobs and don’t succeed, Im not sure why you signal out Amway. I have never made allot of money in this business, that has never been my goal, it has been to buy good products at a discount and have them delivered to me, the most Ive made at this was $22,000 a year. Currently I am a customer, although I retain my IBO status in case I decide to pursue building a business. Contrary to your article I have never bought and sold products. I either have a “downline” or people that go to the website and buy for themselves. The only product I have in my house is what I personally use. I find it curious that in order to write this article you had to find a critic that refuses to identify himself, its easy to be a critic when you have to hide. As far as the tools side of the business goes, since 1991 I have always known that there is a side income from the tools, so what, people are in business to make money, and whats the difference between that and other business’s. My current up line has always been very upfront that there is money to be made on the tools side of things, that’s great, gives someone something to strive for so you can share in that extra income, just like working for a company and getting promoted to share in the “company” bonuses. I’m glad you wrote this article, next time try offering both view points. And “TEX” sorry you couldn’t succeed at this, good luck in whatever you choose to do

  13. Jim,

    Thank you for your post. I have a similar history, although not exact. I have always found the information I got 100% legit. They never hid the tool information from me. (Those tools have helped me in many parts of my life. They are great!) I was never told by anyone what I had to do. I do very little selling. I promote what I use that I found as helpful. I have made as much money for the work I have done as I was told I would. It is a respectable, legal business that needs to be worked like a business. The only thing I see different about this business vs. so many others is that I am offered as much support as I ask for.

    Allen

  14. Sorry to disagree with all of you. I have done all kinds of mlm with many different companies. There is no such thing as the Big Guy. Yes, I also have been in Amway I believe it is a great opportunity. If it didn’t work for you you need to evaluate what you done wrong. Alot of these people who have a bad taste in their mouth get into these business and believe they are get rich quick scams. Their not they require work like anything in life. I live in Wilkes Barre and have made monet with amway and I am not a Big King Pin go figure. One last thing, think about this everything in life is a pyramid. Your job any business unless you are the owner you are at the bottom of a pyramid that you will never get to the top of. YOUR BOSS MAKES MORE MONEY THAN YOU AND HIS BOSS MAKES MORE MONEY THAN HIM. At leat in mlm I can make more money than the person who sponsored me if I do the work. Life is not supossed to be a welfare system.

  15. Hey everybody!!!! LOOK!!!!! Tracy Coenen, the person that puts down Amway, is selling her own business materials about fraud. That’s funny how she is upset about people buying motivational materials to better themselves personally and financially but it’s okay for her to sell her negative material.

    By the way, I am not and have not ever signed up for Amway, I found this thread/blog (whatever you call it) on AOL. I’m with another MLM company and I have found out, when I work, I make money. When I don’t work, I don’t make money.

    There is nothing wrong with most MLM companies, I feel that most people fail because they just don’t want to put in the time and energy it takes to be truly successful. Once they give up, they blame the company for their failure.

    It’s time that we, as Americans, stop listening to the Tracy Coenen’s of the world and get busy working so that we can provide for our families like we should. Stop making excuses and blaming others because you are too lazy to go to work. I promise you, buying motivation materials from Amway (or any other MLM) will get you more motivated than buying her book that uncovers problems with companies (not very motivational, huh?). Don’t get me wrong, we should do our homework and be smart about where we invest our time and energy, but I have found that most people dwell on the negative and they assume that every company is out to get them. Don’t listen to people’s opinion, look for the facts, and the facts only!! Stop being so negative and go to work!! Now, go get ‘um tiger!!

  16. Stop bashing Amway, Although Im not an Amway Millionaire, I can Honestly tell you, That all the tools I recieved, I listened to & read on a daily basis for years,They changed my life, they changed my way of thinking,I made lifelong firends, have been to some really nice places & yes made some money in the process,most importantly, because of this educational system and all the positive reinforced motivation, I was able to put a successful business together outside of Amway, I to this day incorperate their business practices into my business, they taught, love, religion, equality, self worth, I am so proud to be a part of this business and will fight for it, focus on the good that can come from it it will change your life. Thank you Amway.

  17. have a ?, why do students buy books and attend classes when they go to college? also, they are told they have to do those things {mandatory}. now with all that $ being spent doesn’t mean they’ll get any finacial return, just an education, but need the knowledge to pursue what ever career they’re going after. i think it’s pretty awesome that a company offers education, thru books, cd’s, functions and mentorship to help people succeed at whatever level they want to succeed at {their choice}.remember, AMWAY/GLOBAL bus. is meant to be built outside your job to give people extra income stream, & give u choices, without costing arm & leg. people don’t have a problem with spending $ on college, why should this be any different. FREEDOM isn’t free!

  18. What is wrong with this guy TEX. Sounds like he was hoping for a get rich quick scheme. Tex isn’t the first one to come along and make those claims and I’m sure he won’t be the last.
    I am a distributor and like Greg says, you work you make money, you don’t work and you don’t make any. I use the products and like them. I also have read many of the books and listened to the CD’s. The business allows you to use utilize the materials to build your business as well as make you a better person. We are all looking for the same independance from a J O B. You have to work at this to establish your level of income. Important thing is, you follow what your mentors advise you with and it will provide you with a good income for as long as you want. Getting out there isn’t easy when your trying to raise a family and juggle work and after school activities and such. It’s like you have a business that’s in a plaze or mall. If you don’t show up to open the door every morning, no one comes in to spend any money. Same thing here. I have friends that are doing very well , some better than others. But once again, it goes back to the time a person puts into it. The money’s there, you just have to go after it. To be free and have that Freedom takes hard work and time.

  19. Incidentally, 1%er and 2%er are how outlaw motorcycle gangs refer to their lifestyle. I think that’s a droll coincidence.

    And being negative, about the right things, can take you far indeed, whether you’re a stand up comic or a short seller, or whatever.

  20. Kind of weird how all the Pro Amway remarks are posted within a few hours of each other months after the discussion had ended.

  21. I used to be in Amway. What I hate the most about Amway Brunei (google it!) is that we are a regional subsidiary of Amway Malaysia.

    While Tex said that “kingpin” sold tools to get rich, here in Brunei i suspect Malaysian Amway distributors sold third-party products that have nothing to do with Amway USA, on top of what Tex calls tools, to get rich.

    Over here, IBOs are told to sell water-filters, cooking wares, so on and so forth on top of other Amway products. Though this is not illegal and pretty-much a straight-forward busineess deal, what irks me the most is that these Malaysian distributors are taking advantage of IBOs to buy and push their over-priced products just to get PVs and ofcourse, being unable to consistently do that month after month, resort to recruiting as a faster route to “achieving” their Amway dream.

    I have brought up the costly Amway product question so many times without ever getting a satisfactory answer. My problem pushing Amway products to the general public is.. why would something that is supposedly being distributed directly from manufacturer to IBO/consumer cost up to three times a comparable everyday item when it cuts out wholeseller, retailers and so on. Sure it may be good (remember some health supplements are now under scrutiny as some are over the daily recommended allowance) but why over-priced. why can’t they compete like other products and gain through selling by volume i.e more demand more income.

    As I have renounced Amway, a friend recently pushed to get me to rejoin which forced me to searched the web to get information on Amway that i could use to un-brainwash her. So thank you for articles like this.

  22. The reason so many were posted late is because AOL ran the article as a link to ten companies making a comeback.. its sad that so many people went nuts over what this author had to say. Tell me, what educated person when writing a research paper, uses so many one sided views and adjectives. Maybe because they have a predisposed outlook. Which is fine, people will believe what they want, Like so many watching Fox News networks. Even if you had a bad experience with an MLM, sit down and get the true facts from someone who doesn’t resort to name calling. If you’ve taken a college course on critical thinking you will know that what could be a legitimate opinion is unfortunately mixed in with ad hominem argument, where the people are attacked rather than the issue. This clear bias takes away the effectiveness of the argument.

    THINK FOR YOURSELVES PEOPLE.

  23. Over the past 3 years I have been presented with the Quixtar opportunity one guy got me all the way to a seminar, another just a meetting at a einstein bagel, more recently a old high school friend who popped out of the blue, who I caught in the middle of his pitch on the first call, and just yesterday with a guy I work with. He didn’t even get the chance to pitch I called him out before even offered (which caught him off guard). This most recent time though I honestly feel bad for the guy. The person who wrote this is 100% correct from top to bottom. I have ridden with him in my company car the last two days and have gotten pretty good info from him. He only consumes products from his website. Nutralite bars (which are terrible and a crappy energy drink) He has given up everything he used to do to sit at home and “build his buisness” recruit people online and read motivational books bought from the “tool king pins” I won’t talk bad of what he is doing and have promised not to tell my other co-workers but its obvious that he is basically brainwashed. I’m noticing that with our down economy they are becoming more frequent and people need to be careful. IF IT SEEMS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT IS!

  24. Deception and underhandedness disguised with fancy logos, sold with half-truths, propaganda and outright lies.
    What a surprise.
    Simple honor and integrity are dying. Anything corruptable by humans will be – the infection pervades our political, commercial, religious and even educational institutions.
    Find a way to stick it to as many people as legally possible, promote a better snake oil and disguise your cult as a “legitimate business” and you’re in high cotton.
    Thinking about it all – I need a shower.

  25. Does anyone know where I can get rid of all this Quixtar tool crap? I probably have well over a thousand dollars of this crap sitting in my closet since I quit. And nearly 2 yrs later, I am still paying off the debt on my credit cards for all the products, functions and stuff.

  26. you guys r idiots! you’ll probably follow her over a cliff! u need to do your research. check the BBB and find out the truth!

  27. Wow. Yes. My ex-husband, Dave Papak, got us involved, against my wishes, with this disgusting organization, formerly Amway, now Quixtar…. All of it a virtual nightmare….. Leaving my babies 3 times a week for “meetings”, luring people into this scam and bilking them out of SO much money…. Time away from my children, plus ethical and moral values…. I am SO happy to be away from such a nightmare!!! And look what happened to the “icons” we were supposed to worship, Bill Britt, Paul Miller, etcetera…… Affairs, laundering of $$$, OUT. Yep, I figured. This damned thing called Amway/Quixtar cost me my husband and my family. The devil works overtime.

  28. One of my happiest moments in life was taking all of those stupid business tools ie books, tapes, cds and going to the the local park and destroying everything! I threw all of that trash where it belonged….in the trash can. And never looked back. Hubby got us in that mess and I got us out.

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